Conan Rules!

ghehe geniaal Ook geniale film btw, zoals Rex al zegt, je hebt echt een goede film gemist, heb je deze nog niet gezien. Film heeft met recht oscarnominaties!

Conan is de bom!

Waarom zou ik deze film gemist hebben
Draait nog steeds in de biosoop en daarna komt deze hoogstwaarschijnlijk op DVD en internet, dacht ik zo!

Heb em al op dvd, goeie film, maar in mijn ogen raar einde... Ik bleef iig met vragen zitten.. of was dat de bedoeling?

Dit is de meest overschatte film ooit! Het verhaal is flinter dun. Het verhaal is er een van een B-film en doet onder aan die van Rambo. Ik begrijp er dan ook werkelijk niks van deze film een oscar heeft voor beste film...

De regie daarentegen is wel van zeer hoge klasse en dat maakt de film in iedergeval nog het kijken waard. De oscar voor regie is dan ook terecht.

benny lava:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZA1NoOOoaNw

WTF vaag gedoe met die camera, is de show nog niet uitgezonden ofzo?

ja dat rare einde was inderdaad de bedoeling maar imo paste het helemaal in de stijl van de film die idd geweldig was, llewyn's doodgaan zie je niet enzo, allemaal van die vanzelfsprekende dingen die anders worden gedaan. het ongemakkelijke eind is express gedaan zodat je er nog over na gaat praten ( aldus de producer!)

Goed gespot: de Coen brothers laten zich toch vooral inspireren door B-films, film noir, oddball-comedy's en verder zo'n beetje alles wat in de periferie van Hollywood ooit is uitgebraakt.

BTW: ben ik de enige die denkt dat die Chigurh (oid) een metafoor is voor het noodlot?

Had al wel zo'n vermoeden, maar geef mij maar gewoon een helder en duidelijk einde. Hoeft dan niet in de trend van "en ze leven nog lang en gelukkig", maar wel zo dat ik weet hoe het afloopt. Ben er misschien ook wel te nieuwsgierig voor...

Het einde is volstrekt logisch...als je het snapt.

Eindelijk weer eens een terechte oscar-winnaar, en niet zo'n simplistisch epos als Titanic of LotR. Dit is pure cinema, met schitterende beelden en een intelligent verhaal. En met heerlijk sadistische humor.

Geniale mash up!
Die scene is in de film trouwens BRILJANT neergezet. Ik zat er meteen weer in bij de aanblik ervan.




Ik moest er via internet achter komen hoe het zat (zie flabberforum, [MC] subforum, film topic voor een beter geschreven verhaal), want zelf kwam ik er niet uit, maar het is echt een héle goede film. Mooie regie, casting, spanningsopbouw, humor en het verhaal is dus wel degelijk enorm goed doordacht en uitgevoerd.

Hoe vet is die shotgun met silencer dan

Leg die dromen dan eens uit dan (tussen spoiler tags), want die snap ik nog steeds niet helemaal volgens mij. Evenals dat zowel Moss als Cygurgh (oid) iemand betalen voor een kledingstuk. Waarom??


Nooit gedacht nog eens een Bijbeltekst aan te halen.

Allemaal leuk en aardig maar dan kan je echt van elk verhaal nog wat maken.

ja, hilarisch grappig

als je de film meer wil begrijpen vond ik volgende review wel handig... en vollediger..

***Spoiler*** (shamelessly ripped from IMDB)
Anton of course represents the darkest evil, senseless murders. A "regular" hitman goes after what he's paid to, but Anton is a serial killer (some people tend to miss that. Not unlike how people missed "the grave digging in the backyard, but notice a man in a dog collar." A lot of evil goes on and average people just let it because they don't want to get involved or just can't "see" evil when it’s happening because they are not prepared to believe the worst. If Anton was not such a psychotic killer, would we be excited by him? If he did not commit his crimes with such a unique tool, would we be so enticed by his character? The fact that he is a killer is not enough to get our attention, there has to be more to bring us to action.

This is the Sheriff. These things are going on around him and he doesn't seem to take action. He is cowardly in his chosen ignorance. He is unable to fathom the depth of the evil or he does not want to accept the depth of evil he is dealing with. Keep in mind this is a man who does not pull out his weapon. Much like a child, if I don't see the evil, it can't hurt me. He doesn't pull out his weapon in the trailer because he has yet to fathom the evil he is facing in Anton, plus he has this younger man who will die instead, in front of him. The younger deputy gets all excited "we almost had him. Let's get out there and put out an APB!" The younger deputy wants to fight. But the Sheriff calms him down and does nothing. He even drinks out of the same bottle as the evil, thus juxtaposing our two evils of the world, drinking of the same poison. The evil is not here, what can we do? Near the end the Sheriff finally realizes that the evil is just going to keep going and going because HE is doing nothing about it. More and more people get killed. The sheriff finally realizes his responsibility and goes to the hotel to finally face the evil. He knows Anton is in that room because he sees Anton’s reflection in the lock. He enters, but by now it is too late and he can no longer be of help. He's not a sheriff who has dealt with this kind of evil. He's more of a keep things in order and clean up the mess (explaining the scene when he chases down the truck with the bodies in the back--which so many people seem confused by). He's cleaning up the mess and keeping the bodies covered. "Don't let anyone else see the evil that's out there", thus perpetuating the social myth that we are all safe in our homes, in our neighborhoods. In this way the sheriff is guilty of perpetuating evil and allowing folks to think they are safe.

The sheriff is aware there is evil, but does not get involved. He is a witness to the aftermath of evil. He's never been "in it". And for any of you who are battle worn, you know what it means to be "in it" as opposed to being aware of it. It changes you, if it doesn't kill you. Several times the sheriff talks about not wanting to die over something he can't understand. No one wants to die for ridiculous reasons. Anton says, "Everyone says that. You don't have to kill me" and he doesn’t understand. He doesn’t think himself responsible. No one wants to die for a situation they did not create. Moss made a choice, the other hitmen and drug dealers made a choice and even the sheriff calls it dying of "natural causes". They chose that life and should die by it. If you don't choose an evil life you should be safe, right?

Anton goes around talking to people about how their mundane lives have brought them to this moment when he is going to kill them, sometimes leaving it to a coin toss. And these simple people think they are safe, but here's the evil. The biggest, baddest evil standing right in front of them. Anton asks, “What’s the life you chose? You married into this?” Thought you were safe, didn't ya? But life is a 50/50 chance you'll run into that evil or you won't and you'll grow old knowing you failed to face the evil. Even Anton doesn't think he's responsible for the evil and he's the biggest evil out there. Anton continues to kill people because in his mind he has to do it. He's paid to do it and on the few occasions when it's not necessary, he lets "fate" decide. He doesn't think he's responsible as if he were just an instrument of death and not the perpetrator. If the coin says you're dead, you're dead. If my car breaks down or I need a new car to fulfill my project, that's just fate. And then, Carla Jean refuses to call the coin toss. Anton is forced to accept that he is indeed responsible for killing as he does choose to kill her. (And yes he did kill Carla Jean. He was looking for blood on his boots which was an ongoing event in this film many times. He pulls his feet away from Carson's blood. Moss runs away and Anton knows he's alive because of the blood on his boots. Anton checks his boots because he killed Carla Jean and is checking for her blood.) Anton tries to blame Moss for breaking the deal, but it's Anton who is responsible for the evil. Not fate. Not a 50/50 coin toss. Fate is a car slamming into you when you think everything is okay and you're safe. So Anton learns this lesson very hard. He CHOOSES to kill; fate is god ramming a car into you unexpectedly. Anton of course survives. Evil will always survive but evil is as susceptible to life events as everyone else, thus humanizing this character. "God look at that bone." Anton is human not the personification of evil, just human making human decisions to do evil things. People think, "What can I do? How can I make a difference?" because they think that the "evil" is so big, so overwhelming like Anton's character. But the evil is just human. Look at the bone. Look at the bone. The Coen brothers are trying to bang it into our heads, just human, just human. And each of us is more than capable of facing off with another human. We just don't put ourselves in front of the right human who is committing the evil acts. Instead, we watch movies. (I'm guilty. No pardons here.)

Thus brining us to the final and brilliant scene (yes I said brilliant), the two dreams.

There is the obvious inadequacies of a son living up to his father's greatness, and fear of failing or disappointing his father. Most people go thru this. In his dreams, the sheriff sees his father as younger, stronger more able. He sees himself as old and unable to complete the tasks before him. He has grown old from not fighting evil and his father died younger because he faced the evil. He had two dreams. Why two dreams? They're both significant. The first, his father gave him something and he lost it. He took on the responsibility of being a law man and he thinks he has failed. Then the second, his father has a torch and instead of passing the torch on to him, he passes him by and rides on down the path. The sheriff is not ready for the task of facing the evil. He has not lived up to his own expectations. But his father will be there somewhere in the cold and darkness with the light fighting off the evil darkness that surrounds everything and he, the sheriff, will meet up with his father one day. Why is this brilliant, because we are the Sheriff. And chances are we like he will do nothing and die of old age.

So the main theme of the film? Who is responsible for evil? We are all guilty in our own way either by committing evil acts or by ignoring the things that are happening around us. There's a war going on and we're all going to the movies as if it's okay. (Guilty as charged.) And this is what we do. Unless there's a building exploding on our land or a hurricane in our backyard (I was there for Katrina) most people think "Gee that's awful. Those poor people. Pass the butter." Apathy seems to be a rather human phenomenon. It's part survival instinct. If I don't go into the fray I won't be hurt by it. Of course the fray always seems to get worse until you are forced to deal with it (World War II) and by then it could be too late and you are overpowered. The sheriff says, "I always knew you had to be willing to die to even do this job - not to be glorious. But I don't want to push my chips forward and go out and meet something I don't understand. You can say it's my job to fight it, but I don't know what it is anymore. More than that, I don't want to know. A man would have to put his soul at hazard. He would have to say, "O.K., I'll be part of this world." But our mistake is in thinking we are not a part of "that world". There is only one world and we're living in it. Either you're on the couch or you're fighting the evil. You can grow old and 50/50 chance you'll die old letting others be the victims of an evil we could have fought. Or you'll take up that torch and fight the evil. Yes, you will be putting yourself in harms way, but if you don't, evil may just come knocking on your door anyway. This is why the Sheriff quits. He knows he failed and chose to live an old man's life. Another person more capable and younger must fight this evil. He continues to be cowardly because there is still much evil to fight, but he knows he will never face it unless it comes to him. As will so many of us. Or we can go out there tomorrow and start facing these people one by one.

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Had je dat niet ff kunnen vertalen? Kleine moeite toch...

Okay, dat van die bijbelteksten had ik er ook niet zo 123 uitgehaald met mijn interpretatieskillZ. Voor mij was die seriemoordenaar meer de belichaming van '' het kwaad ''. Die agent heeft het op een bepaald moment over dat hij als een entiteit op blijft duiken, als een oneindig iets dat niet te bestrijden valt. En zijn de slechte dingen die men elkaar aandoet niet eindeloos, en van alle tijden en plaatsen?

Ik heb overigens geen zin om de precieze betekenis te weten, blijven gissen is altijd leuker. Ze hadden ooit een verduidelijkte versie van Donnie Darko gemaakt, alle lol is er dan meteen af.